Speedconlanging Weekend

[Keenir]

EDIT:
For the purposes of this, a speedconlang is any conlang that you make in the span of 1-5 hours; no matter when you see this, this particular Speedconlanging Weekend ends 24 hours after you read this...we may have another one in weeks to come.

If possible, include how long your speedlang took. Like NaNoWriMo, the point of this is to write, so work in ink or pretend your eraser is on holiday. There are no points given, no awards presented.

And the most important rule: relax and have fun.


Requirements:
* no more than 21 - however many vowels+consonants you chose to have, it can't exceed 21.

* must have at least 2 ejectives.

* cannot be verb-final.


OPTIONAL: {meaning, if you don't want to do these next two, you don't have to}
* have front/back or rounded/unrounded contrasts.

* use any <mb> of these: "⟨mb⟩, in many African languages, represents /mb/ or /ᵐb/. It is used in Irish to indicate the eclipsis of b and represents /mˠ/; for example ár mbád /ɑːɾˠ mˠɑːdˠ̪/ "our boat" (cf. /bˠɑːd̪ˠ/ "boat"). The Irish digraph is capitalized mB, for example i mBaile Átha Cliath "in Dublin". In English, mb represents /m/ when final, as in lamb (see reduction of /mb/). In Standard Zhuang and in Bouyei, ⟨mb⟩ is used for /ɓ/."

Would anyone be interested in a speedconlang day either Saturday or Sunday?
(i realize i should've asked earlier in the week; if this weekend's not good, perhaps next weekend?)

[DesEsseintes]

Would anyone be interested in a speedconlang day either Saturday or Sunday?



(i realize i should've asked earlier in the week; if this weekend's not good, perhaps next weekend?)

I'm interested. What did you have in mind? Would it be a collablang or just a kind of race?

[Keenir]

Would anyone be interested in a speedconlang day either Saturday or Sunday?

(i realize i should've asked earlier in the week; if this weekend's not good, perhaps next weekend?)

I'm interested. What did you have in mind? Would it be a collablang or just a kind of race?

a collablang would be interesting.
and a race would need probably a week to coordinate, since I think none of us are in the same timezones. :)

principally, my thought was that we each make a speedconlang (1 hour, 2 hour, 1 day, whatever length - we disclaimer it at the start of when we post our result), we simply do so on the same day as one another.

[Omzinesý]

principally, my thought was that we each make a speedconlang (1 hour, 2 hour, 1 day, whatever length - we disclaimer it at the start of when we post our result), we simply do so on the same day as one another.

Could be interested, depending my time.

Speedlangs usually start from a basic idea. I think there could be some basic idea(s)/limitation(s) that what were the same for all of the langs, say it has ejectives or it has about 15 consonant phonemes or it doesn't have syntactic noun cases or something like that.

[DesEsseintes]

I agree with Omzilomzie, having some sort of framework would make it more interesting. That way everyone can work on their own thing and the entries can be compared afterwards.

[Man in Space]

I'm interested, though it'd probably have to be Sunday for me.

[Keenir]

principally, my thought was that we each make a speedconlang (1 hour, 2 hour, 1 day, whatever length - we disclaimer it at the start of when we post our result), we simply do so on the same day as one another.

Could be interested, depending my time.

Speedlangs usually start from a basic idea. I think there could be some basic idea(s)/limitation(s) that what were the same for all of the langs, say it has ejectives or it has about 15 consonant phonemes or it doesn't have syntactic noun cases or something like that.

Those sound like good ideas...I'll make a list of suggestions for everyone to pick which they'd rather do:

* Must have Ejectives.
* Maximum of 15 Consonant phonemes.
* No Syntactic Noun cases.
* Vowel-rich.
* Must have front/back or rounded/unrounded contrasts.

other ideas?

[DesEsseintes]

Personally, I want no say in what the constraints are. I want things imposed on me.

[Thrice Xandvii]

The more I read this thread... the more interested I get.

Also, I agree wholeheartedly with Des!

[Keenir]

EDIT:
For the purposes of this, a speedconlang is any conlang that you make in the span of 1-5 hours; this "weekend" ends 24 hours after you read this.

If possible, include how long your speedlang took. Like NaNoWriMo, the point of this is to write, so work in ink or pretend your eraser is on holiday. There are no points given, no awards presented.

And the most important rule: relax and have fun.


Requirements:
* no more than 21 - however many vowels+consonants you chose to have, it can't exceed 21.

* must have at least 2 ejectives.

* cannot be verb-final.


OPTIONAL: {meaning, if you don't want to do these next two, you don't have to}
* have front/back or rounded/unrounded contrasts.

* use any <mb> of these: "⟨mb⟩, in many African languages, represents /mb/ or /ᵐb/. It is used in Irish to indicate the eclipsis of b and represents /mˠ/; for example ár mbád /ɑːɾˠ mˠɑːdˠ̪/ "our boat" (cf. /bˠɑːd̪ˠ/ "boat"). The Irish digraph is capitalized mB, for example i mBaile Átha Cliath "in Dublin". In English, mb represents /m/ when final, as in lamb (see reduction of /mb/). In Standard Zhuang and in Bouyei, ⟨mb⟩ is used for /ɓ/."

Would anyone be interested in a speedconlang day either Saturday or Sunday?
(i realize i should've asked earlier in the week; if this weekend's not good, perhaps next weekend?)

[Thrice Xandvii]

To be clear, you are limiting this to 21 total phonemes?

[Keenir]

To be clear, you are limiting this to 21 total phonemes?

yes.
(yet again my brain blanks on the word)

[Thrice Xandvii]

Here's what I got so far from a bit of messing around last night, coupled with a bit of messing around tonight. Due to the changing of some of the guidelines, I had to remove a ton of vowels I had and re-jigger the consonants too. All in all, this is maybe about 3 hours of messing around if you don't count the time I spent yesterday playing around with stuff that ended up being completely useless tonight. (And most of that was spent messing around with Cyrillic!)


Ҁейаакъ /ʔə̃.'jaːkʼ/

/Phonemes in IPA/
<Romanization>
<Cyrillization>

/m n ŋ/
<m~mb n ň>
<м~мб н ң>

/p t k ʔ/
<p t k q>
<п т к ҁ>

/pʼ tʼ kʼ/
<ṗ ṭ ḳ>
<пъ тъ къ>

/w j h~ɦ ʁ/
<w j h r>
<ѵ й х р>

/ä~ɑ i u ə̃ ɑː iː uː/
<a i u e~ę* á í ú>
<а и у э аа ии уу>

I'm thinking there's going to be a system where anytime two consonants appear in sequence, the first is de-syllabified into the corresponding consonant: <a i u ę> --> <h j w ň>... if they are the same they would just become long. (I think I'll use <ę> word finally.)

Example sentence... maybe? Or just words.
Хэмйуу мѵамб ир ҁѵимб туӊкъаа э хэпхат хиикъ.
Hemjú mwamb ir qwimb tuňḳá ę hephat híḳ.
/ɦə̃m.juː mwä.biʁ ʔwim tuŋ.kʼɑː ə̃ ɦə̃bʱät ɦiːkʼ/

As to why I am using the Cyrillic alphabet? No idea. For some reason using the "hard sign" for ejectives struck me and the rest followed from there. Oh, and <mb> is being used word finally for some reason as another way to write /m/. Maybe It will change to /p/ if it is followed by an affix vowel? Or maybe I will have intervocalic voicing and it will go to /b/?. No idea. I'm sure. This will even occur across syllable/word boundaries. I'm still playing around with stuff.... maybe more to come to this post. Or another one if folks respond in between.

For SURE though this language will have allophonic aspiration of its stops. The <Ch> clusters will be pronounced as /Ch/ but shouldn't contrast with just /C/, the difference will be explained as a dialectical retention of an earlier form that has lost distinctiveness. I was also thinking of having /a/ alternate to /ɑ/ around back consonants maybe? So, we'd have /tä/ and /wä/ but /kɑ/ and /ʔɑ/?

Edit: Yay editing!

[DesEsseintes]

Here's what I've got on a little phonology I played with for about 15 minutes this afternoon and another 45 minutes this evening. I want to edit in more stuff later if I have more time within the time limit.

Unnamed Speedlang

/N/
/p t t͡s k q/
/ɓ t’ t͡s’ k’ q’ ʔ/
/h/
/L/
/a e o/

Phonotactics is CVC where the onset is any consonant and coda can be any non-ejective consonant

Some allophony:
- modal stops are voiced intervocalically; they are voiceless word-initially and in clusters with another stop; they are aspirated in clusters with /h/
- /e o/ are realised [e o] except: a) before a cluster or geminate consonant where they are realised [ɪ ʊ]; b) before another vowel where they are realised [ɪ̯ ʊ̯].
- /N L/ are realised as [n l] before /a e/ but [m ʟ] before /o/. Both devoice in the vicinity of /h/
- /Np Nt Nt͡s Nk Nq/ are realised [mː nː nːz ŋː ɴː]
- /Nɓ Nt’ Nt͡s’ Nk’ Nq’/ are realised [mʔ nʔ nzʔ ŋʔ ɴʔ]
- /Lp Lt Lt͡s Lk/ are realised [ʟʷː~wː lː lːz ʟː]
- /Lɓ Lt’ Lt͡s’ Lk’/ are realised [ʟʷʔ~wʔ lʔ lzʔ ʟʔ]

[Omzinesý]

It seems I never got anything done.
Maybe later.

[Omzinesý]

- /Np Nt Nt͡s Nk Nq/ are realised [mː nː nːz ŋː ɴː]
- /Nɓ Nt’ Nt͡s’ Nk’ Nq’/ are realised [mʔ nʔ nzʔ ŋʔ ɴʔ]
- /Lp Lt Lt͡s Lk/ are realised [ʟʷː~wː lː lːz ʟː]
- /Lɓ Lt’ Lt͡s’ Lk’/ are realised [ʟʷʔ~wʔ lʔ lzʔ ʟʔ]

Why aren't they just single phonemes but consonant clusters underlyingly?

[Man in Space]

- /Np Nt Nt͡s Nk Nq/ are realised [mː nː nːz ŋː ɴː]
- /Nɓ Nt’ Nt͡s’ Nk’ Nq’/ are realised [mʔ nʔ nzʔ ŋʔ ɴʔ]
- /Lp Lt Lt͡s Lk/ are realised [ʟʷː~wː lː lːz ʟː]
- /Lɓ Lt’ Lt͡s’ Lk’/ are realised [ʟʷʔ~wʔ lʔ lzʔ ʟʔ]

Why aren't they just single phonemes but consonant clusters underlyingly?

Looks like they're all predictable.

[Keenir]

Zerar, a speedconlang:
1hour:
(pictographs not included; scanner frozen)

<s z b r mb th>
[s z b r mˠ T>
s & z are normally found in a consonant cluster together; and are written as <sz> word-initial, but as <s> when word-final, because lone and [z] are not word-final.

<e a i>
[e ɑ ɨ]

C(C)VC.V(C.(VC))

Spoiler:

szerbas [szerb.ɑsz] planets

szerbas amb [szerb.ɑsz ɑmˠ] a planet

szerbarer [szerb.ɑr.er] comets

szerbarer amb [szerb.ɑr.er ɑmˠ] a comet

Pattern that will be regularized from here onwards: -V1rV2r (when V1 is [ɑ], V2 must be [e], and when V1 is [e], V2 must be [ɑ] )

NOTE: _amb began life as .amb but a typo turned it into _amb which struck me as nicer-looking. so yes, it used to obey the C(C)VC.VC - counted <m><b> as one.

szabeb [szɑb.eb] face, head

szabebrar [szɑb.eb.rɑr] slap [to the face]

szabeb amb [szɑb.eb ɑmˠ] faces, heads

tharer [Tɑr.er] rise

therar [Ter.ɑr] set

ki [kɨ] all, are

Therar szerbas ki = all planets set

Szabebrar szerbas amb ri szabeb szerbas amb
Lit., The slapping planet against/to face planet
The planet struck another planet.

bithaberer [bɨT.ɑb.er.er] fire, burning

bithaba [bɨT.ɑb.ɑ] fire

Bithaberer szerbas ki = all planets burn

Bithaberer idg szerbas ki = the planets are burning!

idg [ɨʤ] !, new information

radg [rɑʤ] eye(s)

radg amb [rɑʤ ɑmˠ] seeing, sight

Radg amb szerbas radg = eyes see planets

Radg amb szabebrar = see a slap

thababa [Tɑb.ɑb.ɑ] running

thebebe [Teb.eb.e] walking

zerar [zer.ɑr] writing

serar [ser.ɑr] script, written

ke I [ke ] paper

Zerar szabebrar ke I = writing strikes (the) paper

imimimim [ɨm.ɨm.ɨm.ɨm] repeating action, circular

imimarim [ɨm.ɨm.ɑm.ɨm] repeating action, noncircular

Thababa imimimim szerbas ki = all the planets go around and around

Zerarserar imimarim = write often
{a coined phrase}

szithidg [szɨT.ɨʤ] boats

szithidg amb [szɨT.ɨʤ ɑmˠ] a boat

[Creyeditor]

Okay, I looked at this thread yesterday afternoon. I started speedlanging right after that for 30 min and speedlanged again for 1h in the evening. This morning I was speedlanging for 1h and right now I am writing up my results.

mBeucwiq

Section 1: Phonology

Subsection 1.1 Phonem Inventory

Spoiler:

/ⁿb ⁿbʷ ⁿd ⁿdʷ/ prenasalized stops <mb mbw nd ndw>
/b bʷ d dʷ/ voiced stops <b bw d dw>
/t tʷ k kʷ/ voiceless stops <t tw k kw>
/tʼ tʼʷ kʼ kʼʷ/ ejectives <c cw q qw>
/s/ fricative <s>
/i u/ high vowel <i u>
/ə/ schwa <e>
/a/ low vowels <a>

Subsection 1.2 Syllable structure

(C)V(C/V)

Subsection 1.3: Allophony

Spoiler:

Full contrast only in word-initial position.

Prenasalized stops:
Nasalize a preceding stop and are reduced to voiced stops if between vowels
Nasalize a preceding stop and are reduced to nasals [m n] at the end of a syllable

Labialized stops:
Cause the following vowel to be rounded, if back [o ɔ], and are delabialized
If syllable finally, they cause the preceding stop to be rounded, if back [o ɔ] and are delabialized

Voiced stops:
Become approximants intervocallicaly [β̞ ð̞]

Voiced labialized stops:
become labiovelar approximants [w] intervocalically

Voiceless stops:
become voiceless fricatives [s̪ x] intervocalically
become aspirated word initially
become a glottal stop if at the end of a word

Voiceless labialized stops:
become voiceless labiodental fricatives [f] between vowels

Ejectives stops:
split into voiceless stop and glottal stop [t.ʔ k.ʔ] if between vowels
become plain stops at the end of a syllable

Labialized ejectives:
round a following vowel and split into voiceless stop and glottal stop [t.ʔ k.ʔ] if between vowels

Fricatives
becomes glottal fricative [h] if not word initial

High vowels:
Become glides if between vowels and word initially before a vowel

Non-High vowels
are deleted if between vowels

Schwa
is raised to [ɨ] if there is an /i/ in the following or preceding syllable

Vowels
Fuse to a long vowel, if they follow the same vowel
cause a glottal stop to be inserted, if word initially

Tone/Accent
There is no stress accent, only long vowels are long. Vowels preceding a glottal stop become high toned.

Subsection 1.4: Example words

Spoiler:

twa /tʷa/[tʰɔ]
uba /uba/[ʔu.β̞a]
mbeucwiq /ⁿbəukʼʷikʼ/ [ⁿbɨwk.ʔʷik]
ambwqe /aⁿbʷkʼə/ [ɔ̃m.kʼə]
cabuuua /tʼabuuua/ [tʼaβ̞uːwa]
ikwumb /ʔikʷwuⁿb/[ʔifũm]

Section 2: Morphology
(Almost) none.

Section 3: Syntax

Spoiler:

The language is usually VSO, except that adverbials and pronouns always precede the verb. There can only be one pronominalized argument per sentence.

<Ambwqe cabuuua ikwumb>
/aⁿbʷkʼə tʼabuuua ikʷwuⁿb/
[ʔɔ̃m.kʼə tʼaβ̞uːwa ʔifũm]
ambwqe cabuuua ikwumb
support.V organization victim
The organization supports victims.

<Twa ambwqe ikwumb>
/tʷa aⁿbʷkʼə ikʷwuⁿb/
[tɔ ʔɔ̃m.kʼə ʔifũm]
twa ambwqe ikwumb
3SG.ANIM support.V victim
He supports victims.

<Twa uba ambwqe ikwumb>
/tʷa uba aⁿbʷkʼə ikʷwuⁿb/
[tɔ ʔu.β̞a ʔɔ̃m.kʼə ʔifũm]
twa uba ambwqe ikwumb
3SG.ANIM now support.V victim
He is supporting victims.

Grammatical relations are expressed by putting a particle between the words that are in a relation.

a is used as an associative marker.

<Twa a cabuuua>
3SG.ANIM ASSOC organization
his organization

Relation between verbs and their arguments are expressed by the particles dweu and tebu, but in a a sentence with two full noun phrases only one of them can occur. The particles are optional
dweu means that this argument has a certain degree of control over the action.

<Ambwqe dweu ikwumb cabuuua>
support.V CONTR victim organization
The victim is actively supporting the organization.

tebu means that this argument is affected by the action.

<Ambwqe tebu cabuuua>
support.V AFFD victim organization
The victim is supported by the organization (and it helped a lot).

I think that's it. Sorry, I'm late

[gestaltist]

A neat phonology, Creyeditor.